Apr 102014
 

The-PrincipleTell everyone you know – a Christian documentary says famous physicists and cosmologists accept the word of God: the Sun revolves around the Earth!

There’s been a bit of a kerfuffle recently about many well-known scientists “participating” in a documentary that claims modern cosmology is coming to accept that the earth is the center of the universe. And which Kate Mulgrew (of Star Trek Voyager) lent her voice to. Of course none of this is true in any sense that matters – their voices are in the documentary, but they have been lied to and extensively quote-mined to make it sound like they are saying the opposite of what they actually believe. The standard, sane position that the Earth circles the Sun, which has been settled for centuries.

Naturally a lot of people are saying this is reprehensible. But I think this is one of the best things a group could do to discredit biblical literalism.

I was raised Jehovah’s Witness. Like all fundamentalist religions they can’t abide evolutionary theory, and they have their own handbook on how wrong it is. Like any good Jehovah’s Witness, I studied it so I could be ready for my biology teachers. Being a very geeky kid, I would argue online with non-theists and non-JW christian kids. It was through the wonder of the internet that I was first exposed to fact-checking, and was shown that the many biologists that were quoted in the JW book as coming out against evolution where doing nothing of the sort. Their quotes were plucked out of context to make them sound as if they were saying the opposite of what they were ACTUALLY saying. In one case it was almost literally a case of a biologist saying “I would never say that evolution is a crock of shit” and the part of the quote that made it into the book was “[…] evolution is a crock of shit!”

As an idealistic child who had always been proud of how honest and upstanding Jehovah’s Witnesses were, I was shocked. And I came to realize that if they were this deceptive about the scientists they quoted… they would twist around just about anything to seem to support their conclusion whether or not it actually did so. Evidence presented by the JWs was NOT TRUSTWORTHY on its face, because it was being presented by the JWs.

If I wasn’t an argumentative and precocious geek kid, I may never have stumbled across this information. Evolution is still seen as controversial by many people, almost no one questions a quote presented in a printed publication, so what trusting christian would go look up the quotes of every scientist (in a book their church presented!) in order to get the original context and intent?  Who knows how long it would have been before I realized these people are liars?

On the other hand, nearly everyone realizes that Flat-Earthers and Geo-Centrists are complete idiots. That the Earth orbits the Sun is common knowledge. If you see someone saying the Earth is the center of the Universe, you already know they are crazy, simply because they are claiming that!

And if you see a religious group producing a movie filled with respected scientists that have been quoted agreeing with them, no one thinks “Huh, they must be on to something,” or even “Those scientists are clearly idiots.” What they think is “Oh, a group of liars has taken a bunch of scientists’ quotes out of context, manipulating their words so it sounds like they’re saying the opposite of what they really believe.” It creates a very strong association between “Religious groups claiming things contrary to science” and “Liar idiots.”

It makes them look so incredibly sleazy and awful, that everything they say going forward will be more suspect. This act of deception makes them look so bad that it behooves us to spread their message far and wide.

I don’t think they could have hurt themselves more if they tried. It almost makes me think that this could be a false-flag operation by an atheist group to discredit religious fundies.

I’ve long suspected the same thing of Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church, incidentally. That group has done wonders for the gay-rights movement, by making the anti-gay bigots look so fucking ignorant, hateful, and despicable. Honestly, could a gay group wanting to turn popular opinion against the anti-gay hordes do ANY BETTER than to pretend to Hate All Fags, and then picket military funerals in the most despicable manner they could get away with? It’s genius. I don’t think it’s true, and that makes it soooooo deliciously ironic as well. Thanks for making gay-acceptance come quicker Fred Phelps!

But I’m getting off topic. Share this far and wide!

Apr 012014
 

Rebel-Without-A-CauseMe and my SO saw Rebel Without A Cause for the first time yesterday, which has long been considered a classic. It didn’t age well. Specifically, changes in social norms have made it impossible to relate to anyone we were supposed to relate to.

Before before we begin, can I ask if there was a shortage of teen actors in the mid-50s? I’ve never seem so many 30-year-olds attending High School gathered in one place!

Back on topic. Overall this is a pretty good flick about being an isolated teen. No one understands you, your parents suck, and bullies are making life terrible. It has a great “things spiral out of control and tragedy ensues” arc, which I normally enjoy quite a bit. But unfortunately, there is no way to identify with anyone in this movie anymore. The creatures on screen are weird alien lifeforms that you don’t want to associate with, and so it’s much harder to identify with their angst.

James Dean’s character – the protagonist in this piece – isolates us in the first scene of the movie. He complains to a cop that his mother is too bossy with his dad, and then says (direct quote) “If he had guts to knock Mom cold once, then maybe she’d be happy and then she’d stop picking on him.” Yes, that’s right. The lovable rogue is an advocate of spousal abuse. If only his dad would beat his mom then she’d be soooo much happier, and everything in their family life would be great! This is the reason I can’t watch most things set in the 50s/60s (I couldn’t even finish the second episode of Mad Men). They make my “murder all of society” levels rage into Hulk-Smash mode, and I can’t enjoy shit.

This isn’t an accident either. Later in the movie his dad is shown to be a weakling that his son can’t respect because, when he drops a plate of food he was carrying, he crouches down and starts cleaning it up!! “WTF Dad?? Cleaning is WOMEN’S work! Get off the ground and make the bitch do it!” These aren’t Dean’s exact words, but that’s the message that comes across.

And this makes it very hard to relate to him in his other trials, particularly his girlfriend issues. The female lead in the movie is established to have an abusive father, and so we figured this would be a movie about the cycle of abuse, and how victimizers seek out victims, etc. Nope. Instead they make lovey-eyes at each other, and have a typical teen romance. Which was so nausea-inducing that we kept interrupting the screen with things like “I can’t wait to make you my wife, so I can beat you every day,” and “Once we live together in this mansion, I won’t have to go to your father’s house to beat you.” Etc. I guess in the 50s it was considered cool to beat a mouthy woman unconscious. You could be a proponent of that and still be taken seriously as a gentle romantic lead. But morality has progressed to the point that all you can think of when you see James Dean’s character is “Vile Wife-Beating Piece of Shit.”

The other major character we’re supposed to feel sympathy for is a younger boy who has basically been abandoned by his parents. He hasn’t seen his father in years, and his mother leaves him alone for weeks. In the end it’s the family’s housekeeper who weeps over his body crying “This poor baby got nobody! Just nobody!” It would have been a powerful scene, if we could in any way feel sorry for the kid. But honestly, we’re glad he’s dead.

Because ALSO in the first scene of the movie he’s introduced as a serial-killer-in-training. Seriously, he gets his mother’s gun, gets some puppies, and then MURDERS THE PUPPIES. I guess in the 50s they didn’t realize that cruelty to small animals (especially killing them) is an early warning sign of psychopathy? The cops let him go with, I dunno, a warning?

I seriously thought he was being set up as the villain of the movie. That in the end they’d have to fight off his crazy murder-spree or something. And I kept thinking I would be right! The kid always talks and looks creepy. He stalks James Dean throughout the whole movie. He’s shown constructing elaborate lies about their past relationship. Every single sign points to “this kid is just a step away from being Ben Foster in “Hostage”” (fucking amazing movie, btw). But then at the end it turns around – he gets picked on and bullied, and we’re supposed to feel sad for this poor broken kid, and sympathize with him. No. Nope. Nuh-uh.

I think we (me and SO) need to restrict ourselves only to movies made post-1980-ish. The morals of the past are so bizarre that it’s hard to relate to them. My Fair Lady had a similarly shocking ending. It’s hard to imagine that our grandparents grew up in this sort of environment. I am much more impressed with their ability to adapt and grow as morality evolves, based on this.

Mar 192014
 

Divergent_film_posterI didn’t mention this in the previous post, because I got off on a dystopias-gotta-be-dark-or-they-don’t-work tangent. But there was one scene in the movie that was heavily modified from the book which infuriated me. It was such blatantly sexist gender-conformist bullshit that I want to strangle the asshole who made this decision. And no, it’s not the stupid ass-display poster. Not even close.

In the book, in Four’s fear-scape, his father comes after him with a belt to beat the shit out of him. Four cowers away, and Tris steps up to save him. She catches the belt, yanks it away, and lays into that abusive fuck. She stands up for her man. She saves him.

This is entirely appropriate. This is Four’s deepest fear. It’s childhood trauma, which is causing him to regress. It’s not Tris’s childhood trauma, so she can still act with rational agency. She’s been established as pretty bad ass, and she’s going up against an old drunk man. Everything about this scene was legit, it didn’t even strike me as something to question.

But apparently SOMEONE thought that this was SOOOOOOOOOO jarring that it couldn’t be left in the movie. A girl takes action to protect a guy??? Oh HELLS no! That is not allowed! Men are strong – grrr, rah! Women are weak – boo hoo, whimper. How dare anyone reverse this order, even when the man is a supporting character and the woman is the ACTUAL HERO OF THE MOVIE, and even when it makes complete sense and is exactly what would happen? No sir! Not while the penis-wielders have anything to say about it! And dammit, in Hollywood they most certainly DO!

So in the movie, when Tris steps up to rescue him, Four pushes her out of the way, grabs the belt himself, and decks his father.

Fuck you, Hollywood. Fuck you, whoever made that decision. You are worthless meat that doesn’t deserve a place in anything artistic.

Mar 112014
 

Moby_DickVery few things irritate me as much as when some pretentious dickbag denigrates someone for reading what they consider to be low-class works, and tells them they should go read Moby Dick instead. First off all, congrats on just driving away another person from reading. You are making the problem worse.

But secondly, why are you grabbing for Moby Dick? It’s not that great a book, by today’s standards. I’ve heard large portions of it are about the workings and operation of whaling vessels, and long treatises about the whaling industry. As if it forgot it was a novel and tried being a textbook for a while. Moby Dick has become the standard cudgel, and anytime someone references it as a great book I immediately suspect that either A. They’ve never read it, or B. They’ve read so little fiction that they have no idea what makes a book good. They’ve simply accepted the received wisdom that Moby Dick is TEH AWESOMES which everyone must be beaten with until their eyes bleed.

I’m sure it was amazing for its time. But that’s the thing about progress – things keep getting better.  I don’t think that’s a fault of our predecessors. It’s not fair to compare modern TV/movies/novels to their counterparts from 40+ years ago. Citizen Kane was groundbreaking, but when put next to the best examples of modern cinema of the same genre, it doesn’t hold up. We (humans) keep learning more about what makes things better and become more skilled in applying the things we learn. It’s no more fair than belittling Newton for not discovering relativity. It takes a long time to grow a body of knowledge, and the current writers/directors/etc wouldn’t be where they are if they didn’t have the shoulders of those who came before them to stand on. They should be acknowledged for the work they’ve done to get us where we are. But they aren’t amazing by modern standards.

I feel that’s part of the reason why genre fic keeps growing, and literary fiction is stagnating. They’ve stopped reaching for new improvements, and have turned inward to navel-gazing and ancestor-worship.

Mar 062014
 

avoid-power-tool-accidents-1While working with power tools recently, I heard someone say “Remember, Safety Third!” I’d always heard “Safety First”, so I asked him to explain.

In his community (which handles power tools much more frequently than I do), it’s a combination joke and reminder. Everyone says “Safety First”, but this is a lie. If Safety really was First, they wouldn’t be using power tools at all. Power tools improve efficiency tremendously, but at the price of safety – it’s impossible to accidentally cut your own hand off with a traditional hand-saw. So things like time and money savings trump safety, and everyone knows it. That’s the “joke” part of it.

But more importantly is the “reminder” part. It reminds you that the Corporate Dragons may say “Safety First”, but they don’t mean it. YOUR safety is not THEIR highest priority. So it has to be YOUR OWN priority. You cannot trust them to act in your best interest in anything, ever. You must personally weigh when the costs outweigh the benefits, and act accordingly. Never trust a them to have your best interests at heart.

Remember, Safety Third.

Mar 052014
 

girl interruptedRachel Canning is an honor student at a private school, and has received a $20,000 scholarship. Lately she was suspended from school a few times, got caught drinking, and lost the captaincy of the cheerleading squad. Also, her parents don’t approve of her boyfriend. They kicked her out of the house, and now she’s staying at a friend’s house rather than living on the streets. She’s suing them for college tuition.

There’s a bunch of idiots calling her a spoiled brat. These people obviously have never met a teenager in their lives, and simply went straight from being 11 year olds to being 23 overnight.

This reminds me of a friend’s synopsis of “Girl, Interrupted”.

“A teenager acts like a teenager. Her parents freak the fuck out that their perfect china doll is showing agency, and lock her up in a mental institution.”

Look you fuckwads, making another sapient being is an enormous responsibility, and one that people shouldn’t enter into lightly. When they rebel – as all teenagers do – you suck it up and act like goddamned adults. If you are an upper-middle-class American you’ve taken on the responsibility of putting your offspring through college simply by conceiving them. You brought a new life into a world where securing a career takes an investment equal to years of median-level salary. This is your responsibility.

How many of the people cheering on these parents would be cheering on someone who adopted an adorable puppy, and then dumped it at a dog pound a year later because it wasn’t cute enough anymore?

How many of the them would be cheering on homophobic parents who chased their high-school-age son out of the house when they found out he’s gay? Abandoning him to live however he could on the streets.

This girl is lucky. She has friends she can stay with. Those friends have enough legal sense to realize society may have a vested interest in ensuring parents can’t simply abandon their children if they get a little unruly. She’s smart and pretty and her parents are well off, and I guess that’s a good enough reason to attack her and called her a spoiled brat. If they took five damn minutes to think about this, maybe they’d realize you don’t just create a new human and then discard it when it doesn’t fully subjugate itself to your will, ESPECIALLY when you were warned this is exactly how teens act. What the fuck happened to being responsible for your decisions?

But I guess if these parents’ role-model for a good parent is God, it’s not surprising they lack that level of responsibility. He’s notorious for murdering anyone who doesn’t debase themselves enough to soothe his fragile ego.

Mar 042014
 

Community S05E06 violenceI love Community (except for most of season 4, of course). Episode 6 of Season 5 touched on one of my favorite themes in fiction – the final basis of all power is the ability to do violence to others.

The episode follows Annie as she explores the bureaucratic anatomy of Greendale Community College. Greendale’s power structure is diffuse, with many small pockets of specialized power in a delicate balance. It’s an interesting (if brief) examination of motives of the powerful, and the repercussions their desires have on the populace at large. But that’s just the set up for the really interesting conflict.

The power balance in Greendale is tense enough that Annie can’t get her cork-board approved, so she decides to circumvent the entire system and simply install it herself. This is, of course, completely unacceptable to the powers that be. It is a challenge to the existing authorities, allowing it stand means a huge loss of credibility for those at the top. Why should anyone respect the Dean if his rules can be broken at a student’s whim? The actors below him will no longer be reined in by his authority and the resulting power struggle could cripple the whole school (well, moreso). So the Dean dispatches Hired Goons to take down the corkboard, as his prerogative as the recognized head of the Greendale Leviathan.

And here’s where it gets really interesting. Annie physically attacks the Hired Goons. Because when it all comes down to it, power structures are just ways of organizing how much violent force any particular coalition can muster. Leviathan is left with a choice – crush the opposition, or demure. Leviathan has much bigger goons and would almost assuredly win this direct physical confrontation. And demurring is always undesirable, as it weakens the Leviathan’s ability to credibly threaten others in the future. However in this case the opposition is more than just some student rabble. Annie is a founding member of a strong student coalition which has spent the past 4.5 seasons growing in influence in Greendale. They are admired by the student body, and have previously shown themselves able to spark or douse riots. They have allies within the greater community, and Annie has shown herself adept at navigating and wooing the Greendale power structure. Up until this point they have been nominal allies of the Dean, turning them into enemies would be unwise. Moreover, there is the possible intervention of the greater leviathan of State & Local Laws to consider (whose views on the matter are uncertain), and the Dean is sexually attracted to one of the other founding members of the group.

The Dean calls off the attack. Annie’s coalition is willing to fight and make this victory too costly for its rewards. And importantly, Leviathan has shown its teeth, and reminded those watching that anyone who wishes to challenge it needs to at least have the power base of Annie’s group.

(also, Annie has just (unwittingly?) made herself a bigger player in the Greendale power game. If this was a political show I’d be thrilled by the implications :) )

However, despite all the alliances and influence to consider, what it boiled down to in the end is who had the greater ability and willingness to do violence to the other side. The Hired Goons flexed their muscles. Annie jumped on one and beat him, and rallied the other founding members of her coalition to literally stand at her side in a wall of angry fists. It was their willingness to spill blood that was the decisive moment of their triumph. This is the sort of story I adore. The anger and desperation that pushes people to say “No more.” The point that turns them from participants in the façade of civilization, to people who demand the lies be thrown aside and the true violent nature of power be done to them as proof of dedication. That tipping point where the hand is called, and the real priorities of everyone are laid bare.

It was wonderfully done, especially for a 22 minute comedy show.

Feb 262014
 

hugh-hefner-girls-next-door-dogBack in the Bad Old Days there was only one major distributor of porn – Playboy.

Since it was run by Hugh Hefner, it swung wildly towards his tastes in women. They’re obvious – super-thin, blonde, big boobs. As a result, several generations grew up experiencing this as the model of beauty, and with this as their first encounter with sexuality.

Quickly this became known as what was desirable. Men started chasing these types of women purely for the status effects. When you’re young and insecure it’s extremely important to you that your peers think well of you. They will judge you by the mates you can attract. And when you’re very young, it doesn’t matter that much if you aren’t very attracted to that type – you can screw almost anything anyway, and being admired more important.

In this way Hugh Hefner unintentional screwed an entire generation of marriages. Once people start to get older, their true sexual preferences become much more important. If you don’t find that wasted-away look enticing it’s much harder to maintain a sexual relationship. Sexual frustration builds and divorce results. Partly because the men were too concerned with looking good in front of others to really listen to what their dicks were telling them, and partly because they didn’t have a lot of opportunities to query their dicks in the first place. When the majority of your tests are restricted to Playboy you don’t get a very representative sample.

Fortunately the internet came to save the day! Online porn is ubiquitous, anonymous, and extremely easy to access. The market for porn exploded. Suddenly 100% of men (and many women) were direct purchasers, rather than a handful of media moguls and publishers. And porn producers found it was incredibly easy to draw market share by giving people exactly what they wanted.

Which leads us to today, where literally every taste is pandered to, and everyone can easily find what appeals to them. This is especially important for the young and inexperienced, because when you’re first discovering your sexuality you aren’t quite sure what you like. When all you see is the stick-figure blondes  it may be excusable to come to the conclusion that’s what’s hot. But when you have the full spectrum of human beauty to peruse and pursue at your leisure, you quickly come to notice patterns in what you like. You scroll past boring waifish girls and click after the succulent well-curved ladies.

Then when you go out into the real world and date around a few times you’re much more likely to go after that which you already know you want. I won’t lie – status pressure is still real, it exists. But when you know what you want, and you can honestly look at someone and think “You know, she’s a great person and fun to be around, but she really just doesn’t do anything for me sexually” it’s much easier to shrug that pressure off. You save both of you a lot of time and possibly heart-ache. You don’t end up in marriages that are lacking in sexual desire.

In short – internet porn is helping people to know their own desires better, and at a younger age, and as a result avoid bad marriages. This is a good thing, and we should thank internet porn for making our relationships stronger. :)

Feb 182014
 

anarchy_symbolThere’s been a lot of talk about self-publishing lately. Perhaps the two most important view points on this coming from Hugh Howey in the “self-publishing is best publishing” camp, and Chuck Wendig in the “publishing is a business, it’s a lot of work, and it’s generally best done by professionals” camp. (of note: Wendig does self-publish.)

As previously noted, I have a visceral hatred for old power structures. Traditional publishers being just one example. I’m quite a fan of short-circuiting the establishment. Which is why I think it should be pointed out that Amazon Publishing is not self-publishing. It’s publishing through yet another gate-keeper.

“Amazon is a gate-keeper???” you say, spitting out your juice in exaggerated shock. “Bullshit!”

To which I point you to Wendig’s post where he says “I can literally write the word “fart” 100,000 times and slap a cover of baboon urinating into his own mouth, then upload that cool motherfucker right to Amazon. Nobody would stop me.”

As we’re all aware of how the internet works, we already know what happened within a few hours. Baboon Fart Story was promptly created and uploaded to Amazon.

And a few hours later, it was gone.

(Don’t worry, this IS still the internet. You can see the glorious Amazon page and the book’s stellar reviews (including one by Daniel Abraham!) right here.)

What happened? I don’t have the details, but according to Chuck the author received the following notice:

“We’re writing to let you know that readers have reported a poor customer experience when reading the following book: Baboon Fart Story.”

This is just the funniest example of this. Readers of Sasquatch Erotica are already familiar with Amazon’s gate-keeping ways:

“The Kernel’s article triggered a kerfuffle in the UK, and many stores (Amazon among them) pulled several titles, including some featuring mythological creatures.”

As it turns out, the only difference between Amazon and traditional publishing is that Amazon has almost nothing invested in what it’s publishing. Amazon is a gate-keeper who doesn’t care about the lands the gates are protecting, and so lets any old raider saunter through. What it does care about is its own image. As soon as THAT is threatened, the gates slam shut with a mighty fury (and often a blind one).

And due to the nature of ebooks, these publishers have Orwellian levels of power. If you wanted to recall or censor a traditional dead-tree book you had to count on the book-sellers pulling their stock from the shelves and sending it back or destroying it. Amazon can make an author vanish in the blink of an eye.

Rachael Acks recounts her experience in being disappeared from Kobo UK due to an erotica scare. Despite not writing erotica, and being with a publisher, all her work suddenly no longer existed in the UK, and her very existence was a matter of academic debate. (Seriously though, WTF is wrong with the English these days? No wonder they had to expel their puritans onto the New World, who wants to live with those assholes? They need to set up a moon colony so they can keep unloading those crazies).

It’s more fun than that – Amazon can wipe any book you’ve bought from your Kindle at any time (although they “promise” not to). Have you bothered to read your terms of use? Me neither, but FYI, you don’t actually own anything you’ve bought for your Kindle, you’re just licensing the rights to read it. Amazon can, and has, deleted and modified books at will. Readers are often advised to turn off their eReader’s wifi when crossing national borders if they want to keep reading books while they travel. Famously, Amazon remotely deleted all copies of Orwell’s 1984, because they were shooting for the Irony Olympics*. They only took silver, as Bradbury remained unmolested. At least in the dead-tree days you had to find a physical object and throw it in a fire.

So stop calling it self-publishing. It’s not. It is Amazon publishing. I’ve seen self-publishing. It’s making a file available on your own website. It’s selling or giving the raw file directly to the reader without an intermediary. The only person who can shut down Yudkowsky’s writings is Yudkowsky himself.

I sorta like Amazon. I like that they’re shaking up the dinosaurs, and waging this war with traditional publishing. They’re another option. But they are ultimately just another Corporate Dragon, they simply have a slightly different business plan than the Elder Dragons. So start calling it Amazon Publishing (or maybe Indy ePublishing if you’re going with someone other than Amazon)

Calling it self-publishing is appropriating a counter-culture movement and using its anarchic name recognition (what some would refer to as “street cred”) to try to sell more corporate product. Don’t do that.


*OK, it’s actually because the books were sold illegally. So kinda a legit reason. My point is the proof-of-capability. Kudos to whoever decided to use Orwell’s works to force Amazon to reveal that. :)

Feb 172014
 

397478_10200762637107901_651772870_nMy dad had quite an interest in Greek mythology, which he passed on to me (literally). I read a lot of the myths in my childhood, and I always thought the pagan gods were a lot more sensible than the christian one. Even as a kid I could see that there was something deeply irreconcilable between the state of the world as it was, and the existence of an omniscient, omnipotent, omni-benevolent father figure. I didn’t know back then where Christianity had gone off the rails, what sort of mental contortions they much have gone through to arrive at the current conceptions of their god, but it plainly had nothing to do with the world as it existed.

The Greek gods, on the other hand, were perfectly consistent with the state of the world. They were extremely powerful, but fallible. Just as susceptible to emotional currents or tidal waves as we are. They could be mistaken, or deceived. Maybe they didn’t actually exist, but they could exist. Which was more than I could say for JHWH. Something’s really wrong with your theology when it’s unbelievable to a nine-year-old with a library card.

I was surprised when, a few years ago, I discovered that my mother considered the Greek gods laughable. I guess they never even considered them a threat to the religion they were trying to teach me, which was why they encouraged my reading. Obviously this was a mistake in retrospect – at least from their point-of-view.

But because of that I’ve always been a bit annoyed by people who don’t consider non-monotheistic theologies as worthy of inclusion in discussions of religion. They may not conform to what you were raised in, but if you’d take five damn minutes to drop your biases and look at it objectively, you’d see that these are traditions are FAR more believable than your christian fairy tales!

Which is what prompted me to object to someone who recently claimed that MLP canon has no religious aspects. Excuse me?

(non-MLP fans can probably stop reading here. Rest of the post likely won’t interest them.) Quoting myself:

I think you’re coming at this from a very modern/western perspective, which is why I disagree with you.

I consider Luna/Celestia to be much like the Greek/Roman pagan gods. They are basically just super-powered humans. They can throw lightning and they are nearly immortal, but they lust and drink and make mistakes just like humans did. They could be killed (with great difficulty), and they had clashing desires and goals that would bring them into conflict. Nonetheless, they were gods, and there are very few historians that wouldn’t consider this a religion.

(responding to “Celestia doesn’t lay down a moral code”) – Morality being the domain of the divine is a monotheistic invention, MANY religions don’t make the claim that what is moral is determined by godly fiat. Euthypro’s Dilemma comes to mind, but this is but one example among many.

(responding to “if you can see them, they don’t count as a god”) – Worshiping people you can see as gods has a long tradition in history. Many rulers were worshipped as living gods, from the Pharaohs down to pre-WW2 Japanese Emperors. I don’t think you can say that their religion didn’t count and was no more than “admiration” just because the worshippers could see their god.

Luna/Celestia worship wouldn’t count as a religion only if you restrict your view of what makes a “legitimate” religion to the modern purified theology of the Euro/American Christian tradition. Not surprisingly, this school of thought tends to heavily favor Protestant & Catholic views. :) Under a wider historical perspective, MLP has a perfectly workable religion.

The counter to my position is that none of the ponies are shown actually worshipping Luna/Celestia. Which, ok, fair enough. But hey, it’s a cartoon for American kids… I’m pretty sure that wouldn’t fly. :) Sometimes you gotta go on the implied.